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Undoubtedly he has brought nation on a crossroad where you can see almost everyone claiming to be ANNA by wearing a T-shirt or a cap written "MAIN ANNA HOON".....they are doing every thing to show their hatred for corruption....Of course its a good sign for any nation and all credit goes to Anna Hazaare.
No doubt each and every individual should come forward to support Anna's cause for eradicating corruption. Even I want to be there, shouting those patriotic slogans while facing a TV camera, wearing a T-shirt stating "Main Anna Hoon" and holding a tri-clour ...But unfortunately my day to day run for earning bread n butter is just not allowing me to be there and do all those patriotic acts......But does that mean I am supporting corruption or I am no more an honest citizen???.... well, perhaps this is what most of the people want to prove that whoever is not supporting Anna visibly by being present at their respective cities chowks, or whoever having his own view for fighting corruption which is little different from what the "civil society people" actually think, is not supporting the very cause of opposing corruption and in turn he is a corrupt.
But I personally believe that everyone in India is not corrupt whether he shows his sentiments against it or not.... or even the so called Jan-Lokpal bill is not a magic stick, that will eradicate corruption overnight. In fact its going to be just another law with some added provisions which ultimately requires people's will to be implemented and used honestly.
Moreover honesty is not something that can be forced on people by merely making some law, in fact it is something which comes from within..and after all its a matter of being honest to ourselves first.....but I doubt on being honest to myself because I know that tomorrow when time will come to admit my son in the best school of the city, I will try all means(fair and unfair) to get him admitted there...I know there are plenty of school teachers in that crowd shouting all those slogans of patriotism, they will guide me(for known reasons) to use all those unfair means to get my son admitted and I will be glad doing that because after all its a matter of my son's career and life.....and that LPG dealer standing in the crowd with tri-colour in his hand, is he going to oblige me with a new gas connection with his folded hands, just because i genuinely deserve one........well, I doubt......
Well honesty cannot be forced but it has to start from top. Top needs new law right now because the current ones are not working.
ReplyDeleteI wrote two article on this subject - one for public and one in favor of Anna...Check it out.
@A : yes, that is what i meant to say that any law can't make someone honest irrespective of the provisions it has.....
ReplyDeletewill certainly read those posts of yours....Thank you.
I already have talked about this Anna Fever ..and your say on the topic made me realized that I should have waited for you to write it first..as I missed some important points.,.yes you are very right Irfan..honesty cannot be imposed on pple..is a change from within..and it will work if its coming straight from heart..and I really hope Anna thing works for you guys,,we will have something to follow then!
ReplyDelete@MISHI : yes, I firmly believe that let hundreds of law be there but it can't be useful unless we are honest in following those by sacrificing our personal cause.... Anna episodes may trigger our inner soul for a moment and we may say so many things emotionally(which you can see back in India), but ultimately all matters on what we do when it comes to the calculation in terms of loss n gain for our personal causes.
ReplyDeletethe change has to come from within... like going to Anna's protest and marches is a fashion and many of those present there can be as much corrupt as they can get..the point is that if one to help it can be in many ways... it does not mean to force people to shut their businesses and go to the place and shout a few slogans and that makes everybody cleansed...
ReplyDelete@MUHAMMAD ISRAR : I can tell you bhai, that ppl are bunking their work place to show their presence at those spots...I ask them, is going there during working hours without any leave is not a sort of corruption by itself..???
ReplyDeletebtw, welcome at APNiBOLi...hope to see you more often here now...thank you.
a totally different angle of interpreting Anna's protest and fight against corruptions. i have never though this way before. should give it a rethought. thanks for sharing Irfanji.
ReplyDeleteMhmmmm.... makes one think...
ReplyDelete@FANTACY IN PRACTICALITY : thanks for stopping by Sancheeta ji, hope you are doing well at ur new place..... :)
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We must respect each others opinions and views.Calling the supporters following a fashion or a herd mentality and labeling those who are not following it corrupt and unpatriotic both things are not appropriate in my view. Well about honesty .... i think we all are corrupt in one way or another because it is forced upon us .Most of us want to live an honest and corruption free life provided we have a suitable infrastructure.
ReplyDeleteNone of us is corrupt.It is the system and complicated laws which have made us one.
ReplyDeleteHow can we not react to a bribe demand for a birth and a death certificate?
I don't think it really matters whether we are able to show our presence there or anywhere in support of Anna's fight against corruption. It is an individual's choice whether they can take off from their work or studies for one day or a few days, for after all this is one way to show that we are very much there.
ReplyDeleteHowever it does not mean those who can't do it for some legitimate reasons are not supporters of the cause. Nobody would be so stupid to think in that manner.
Though many people may not be there, we all are there in spirit, shouting with the crowd and waving the flag along with them, wishing Anna the very best, and praying that the government would relent and quickly do the needful.
Irfan your point is valid but as A pointed out, there are two things one is forced honesty that has to trickle down from the top. The bureaucrats and politicians must have real fear of prosecution so that they will resist asking for bribes openly. And, we as people must make beginnings somewhere. Your son not getting admission in a particular school is not going to make him unfit for life. If he is good, he will shine despite not going to the best school possible, so please don't give that reasoning. You expect the LPG dealer to be honest, the bureaucrat to be honest but you are not willing to make a beginning somewhere. That is not acceptable. Then you are as much a part of the system that you condemn. Stand up for your rights, and honesty must begin from home.
ReplyDeleteI am actually not against or for Anna.
ReplyDeleteYes, there is a movement required to remove corruption. But, this is not the way.
What Anna is doing is just Blackmail and nothing else.
We should make every MP and MLA responsible. We should be able to revoke his power in case of inaction in his term.
Something to that effect.
What Anna is getting is just populism. People who had not seen freedom movement are getting a feel of it. It is just that.
The views given on Anna Hazare and his agitation vis a vis his supporters seems to be a balanced one and well conceived . I agree we need to be honest first for making any law against corruption successful.
ReplyDeleteappreciate what you posted here, and there is a dark note in the fact that a parent is pushed beyond limits to get the child admitted in the best of best! Teachers are corrupted too, even in London Riots some teachers looted shops...the feeling got to come from with in, it can certainly not be imposed...
ReplyDeleteA very prominent angle of view by you here.
ReplyDeleteFeeling of change must come from within!
its true that a lokpal bill cannot do wonders and the change should come from within.how many of them,taking part in the campaign at ram leela maidan does know about lokpall bill and its technicalities?and when it comes to their own matter will, everyone be honest?.again a question mark!
ReplyDeletevery well said especially the last two paragraphs echo my thoughts too. I am also divided on the anna camapign, but what makes me happy is that anna campaign has brought about warriors in children. I see many children impressed with anna including my own who with their friends coaxed us elders in our society to go for a candle light march and they shouted 'Anna, hum aapke saath hain'.
ReplyDeleteso true.lokpal bill is not a magic stick. n honesty can not be forced. but we can try to control it by having some rules.
ReplyDelete@IRFAAN true .a law cannot make someone honest ,but you know what ?It somehow forces a person to act honest atleast!and that's what is needed.Atleast act honest and stop atleast most of the corruption happening.I agree with what u said not everyone can go to streets and shout the slogans or face a tv camera .I know that some ,ay be most of them may not truly mean it when they are shouting slogans .Anna ji also says that when there is a law ,u have some guidelines to follow.So you atleast fear something and tnd to abide the rules and not to illegal things.So slowly we could expect that a time comes that a school principal may fear to take bribe if once he or she is punished by a lawful citizen after giving a bribe and then reporting to lokpal.Such a scenario is very difficult to happen in India ,but we cannot say that it cannot happen.Frankly ,here in the US ,I see that if a speed limit of 30 is posted ,nobody dares to go beyond 30 or 35 even if a cop is watching or not watching you ,because it is a law and even people can complain against you.When there is a fearing factor ,you will tend to follow the rules.Even i never used to follow the speed and i used to take it casually untill i got a big ticket of 200 dollars!
ReplyDeleteI'd strongly suggest you to read this article by Arundhati Roy http://see.sc/Adbq1B and this a cheeky reply to her article http://see.sc/9cHqtf
ReplyDeleteA well worded thought provoking post. :)
ReplyDeletei agree with you, if you are not going to the roads and not shouting the slogans does not make you corrupt...as long as you are honest at your individual level...Jan Lokpal won't change a lot...but Govn't Lokpal might and in the wrong way... and truly the change should come at individual level, but then i don't see that happening....it hasn't happened in 60 yrs, it won't happen now if nothing changed....i just hope, against hope, that a better system brings that change...
ReplyDeletehmm...honesty is not showing off...
ReplyDeleteIrfan, I agree with you there - no matter what, corruption is there at all levels of the society and it's not just the biggies who are corrupt - even the peons or the clerks on whom we depend for little things such as getting signatures of people they represent are still corrupt. If we go into the whole background of all this, it boils down to the inflation, the expensive basic needs and all the vices that force a common man to accept bribes in exchange for favours.
ReplyDeleteIn an economy that is unable to provide basic needs such as food and shelter to all its people, corruption is probably just the least of the vices expected.
hmm listening to our hearts n doing what we really believe in is the best thing to do
ReplyDeletevery interesting Irfan,I like your take on this subject,the more we discuss it,the more controversy it evokes...
ReplyDeleteOne of the best posts I have read on Anna issue.
ReplyDeleteMy thought on Anna and his supporters is: if they are bunking work for so many days... doesn't it affect their work, their work place? These people don't think of their bread n butter?
And who is funding Anna's rally? All the people who are supporting are not fasting? So, who's providing food to them?
well most of the Indians right now are following what v called 'a blind race'. no doubt, that corruption has reached it limits and people have suffered way too much so this agitation was natural but janlok-pal isnt the 'only solution' and neither is it a magic stick like u mentioned.
ReplyDeletegood post!
sarah
I agree with you friend. Nothing going to stop suddenly once the bill exists… it can only help till certain until the attitudes change in people. I wonder how many of us are clear to oppose corruption in just words and getting crowded on streets.
ReplyDeleteCoincidently I too have a post on anna :)
Like it or not, Anna deserves to be followed annay wah (blindly) as he is voicing against an evil which is biggest cause of rusted thinking of many corrupted people. Some take corruption as pretty normal.
ReplyDeleteThis menace deserves to be uprooted from the grass root level but starting from the top coming downstairs is much better for effective results.
Let me congratulate all my Indian friends to have a real personality like "ANNA."
Nice post IRFAN bhai.
Awesomely written. You were spot in saying " honesty cannot be forced upon" coz as you mentioned at some point of time you will cross over for your own good or your family's good.
ReplyDelete@KAVITA : yes Kavita ji we must think twice before labeling anyone with some adjective and lets hope this jan-lokpal does have its effects on providing us a suitable infrastructure...Thank you.
ReplyDelete@CHOWLA Sir : we can very well react against these if we are prepared to fight with the present system but unfortunately most of us are habituated enough to pay few bucks to get things done smoothly....Thank you.
@RAMA : yes, indeed we all are supporting his cause in our own way and as per our own convenience....Thank you.
ReplyDelete@RACHNA : Absolutely Rachna ji, thats what i want to say that honesty must begin from home and once we start doing that system has to improve and unless that happens any law is immaterial...Thanks a lot.
@SPICY SWEET : well, we may not support him but we should support his cause at least, the way he has brought the nation on a platform is really appreciated....Thank you.
@SKUMAR : THank you so much for the appreciative cooment and welcome here at APNiBOLI, plz do come again.
ReplyDelete@CHINTAN : indeed one can't impose someone to be honest no doubt law can create a sense of fear....Thank you.
@SIMRAN : THank you so much Simran for the read and appreciation.
@HARITHA : million dollar question, "when it comes to their own matter will, everyone be honest?"...and the only time will answer this...Thank you.
ReplyDelete@ASHA : yes Asha ji this a very good outcome of this campaign that everybody including children has started feeling the curse of corruption though its a good sign, but does it will have any impact on the ill practices being practiced by majority of us...Thank you.
@SUM UNSPOKEN WORDS : lets pray n hope that the new rule may help controlling it...thank you.
ReplyDelete@RAJI : i wish that someday we Indians may become that much disciplined and start following rules on our own will...THank you.
@PRATEEK : well, Arundhati Roy may have her own reasons to express those views but as far I am concerned, I may not connect with Anna but right now I do support his cause.....buttttttt before trying to change others I need to look at myself and regarding this ongoing campaign i feel that this debate may force a few to introspect themselves but a large will still don't care...debate is going to be debate forever, its like "Realism over Idealism:.
ReplyDelete@JOFEELINGS : THanks for stopping by, plz do come again :)
ReplyDelete@SUB : you said it all, "its hope against hope, that a better system may bring that change..."...Thank you.
@THINKING : yaa, its really not something to show off, Thank you.
@PUNAMJr : I can understand ur concern and btw glad to have you here after a long gap, hope to see you more often now...Thank you.
ReplyDelete@SUJATHA SATHYA : right you are..Thank you.
@ALPANA JAISWAL : but we must discuss. isn't it?? Thank you so much.
@PRIYA : Even i don't understand that bunking work place without appropriate leave is why not being traeted as a sort of corruption by them????....but who will dare to ask, even the boss can't:)....thank you
ReplyDelete@SUBTLESCRIBBLER : lets hope that people like us proved wrong and Jan-lokpal bill may act as a magic stick and give a solution to this major problem country is facing....Thank you.
@JEEVAN : yes, changing our attitude is perhaps the first n foremost thing required to see some change here...Thank you.
ReplyDelete@TARIQ MIAN : but you know Tariq Bhai, over the period we have followed so many blindly and got ditched by them, so now its just not possible to do that again...all I want to say that let's move this debate from the person to the policy and of course this movement is a step in the right direction....thanks a lot.
ReplyDelete@VIJAY MENON : yes i personally feel that things can only inprove when we start sacrificing our own cause.....Thank you.
EXACTLY irfan..I jus dunn understand ..is it a magic wand?Lokpal bill...that things will improve..
ReplyDeletehonesty is deep down... deep in the core...not jus bills..
there are many other problems in India....
Cleanliness,,Poverty,,, unemployment... I mean name it and its there...
its like bhed-chal..people gonna be mad!
I support .. uncorrupted India.. for sure..BUT Anna is not a magician ...
...there are many other bills.. do people follow, women are part of domestic violence.. do people have fear?
..its SAD...
@HARMAN : Yes, niether Anna is magician nor any Law is going to act like a magic unless we follow them genuinely...Thanks for echoing my thoughts...!!!
ReplyDeleteFirst of all thanks a lot sir..
ReplyDeletefor visiting my blog, "I really appreciate that :)
Well u have pointed out a very different view of the situation.
Its kinda funny that these days the environment is like if u don't support Anna Ji u r a corrupted person or rather u r not a true Indian.
Nice read !!!
@JYOTHI : We Indians are emotional by nature you know and i still believe that its an emotional outburst of the people....hope i am wrong this time.
ReplyDeleteBTW you have a nice blog there, its a pleasure being there.... :)
Even I am worried about the same...
ReplyDeleteIts like every one is out on streets.... but watz after that.
Well lets hope that something good come out of this stalemate.
Thanks
I'm glad u liked it.
M looking forward to your new posts :)
lokpal or not we need a change....but as u say its impossible 2 stop bribery & corruption at such a level.
ReplyDelete@JYOTHI : thanks for yet again vist and for the follow.. :)
ReplyDelete@SNEHA : no..no...i didn't said its impossible, all i meant is "its difficult unless we change ourselves....."
IRFAN, do you need a ride to reach my blog?
ReplyDeletelets see where the winds will take us :)
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@TARIQ BHAI : No..no....no ride needed, only one click will take me there:) ....in fact Blogger dash board misses some posts some time and this time it was urs unfortunately....!!
ReplyDeleteAnyways my sincere apologies Tariq Bhai for being late there.
@RACHIT : yaa, That is something to be seen:)...keeping my fingers crossed...
Irfan what you say is true. There is a clear difference between what we propose and what we do. Afterall many of those who are corrupt may also be facing the fall out of corruption in theri personal lives!
ReplyDeleteSpoken out my mind ! I also feel the same way !
ReplyDeletehi Irfan, first time here..congrats on the notable newbie :) :).. I am a strong supporter of the Anna movement..thats because in my opinion now atleast there is voice to the common mans thoughts...but do I think this bill will be a penultimate blow..then No.. it would not.. it has to start with each one of us....which again as you pointed out is really difficult with the current systems..
ReplyDelete@MEERA SUNDARARAJAN : Yaa, of course every one faces the fall out of corruption at some point of their personal life, but the thing is how we take it..i think most of us till now were taking it as a necessary evil of the system but it seems that at least this approach will change now and people will start opposing hopefully...anyways thanks for the visit n valuable comment Meera ji.
ReplyDelete@AARKAY : welcome at APNiBOLi..thanks for stopping by here, plz do come again...will visiy you soon....thanks again.
@SUKUPEDIA : Thank you so much , these little sweet awards does push us to do better :)
ReplyDeleteEven i support his cause at least, if not him in totality....lets hope that system gets better and so do we....BTW thanks for stopping by and for the follow, i am honored...will be visiting your place soon....thank you :)
Congrats for wonderful post ...
ReplyDeleteAccording to me Law and personal commitments both are necessary >>> Only one can not solve the problem >> But yup can reduce the problem ....
Sushant : Thank you.... and i do agree with you...btw nice to have you here after so long.....How are you doing mannn?????
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ReplyDeletesorry for late comment, was down with flu :(
yes, I agree strongly that we cant make honestly a rule or a legal law, its something that comes from inside.
well written post :)
I was just discussing the same thing with my mom this morning... Though the entire nation is on the streets to show their support for Anna or to raise their voice against corruption but these very people will be found bribing the traffic police or the railway TT's without even thinking Anna or his movement or the bill... Its far more easier said than done....
ReplyDeletesuperb man!! u said it all in a calmer way... I am not Anna too... As i have said he is just a messenger not the message...
ReplyDeleteAS : ohh...how are you now??? wish you get full recovery soon....
ReplyDeleteAs we hear, things have started unfolding now...the so called "FAS-UNTO-DEATH" has been ended, lets hope(against the hope) for a corruption free India.
Thank you :)
Tanishka : Now they are all back to their work from Ram-leela ground...lets hope they are changed a bit and people like me and you are proved wrong... Thank you...!!
ReplyDeleteRolling Stone : Thank you R/Stone...
lets see what happens next....Do they all remember his message or not???
it is very difficult to get out of the comfort zone..
ReplyDeletestatus quo is the best...
Today I am in America and I do not see any need for any "Anna" here. They have their own means of getting their clout. In the late nineteen sixties when I was a teenager I used to feel a thump in my stomach whenever I saw my uncle bring a bag of rice (a hundred KG.) that was given to him by the people of villages where he used to visit as a deputy collecter. Today he is not in this world nor his wife nor three of his daughters. What he left on my mind had left a deep desire for me to be a social worker. I ended up getting married and moved out of India with my husband. I still pray for the poor and wish that rich people did not take bribes. Hi, this is Munir over here at Focus.
ReplyDeleteRightly said! If by making stringent laws only corruption could be curbed, then China would have been the most honest country in the world. Its just how much the people give in to corruption. Or else, why should within India itself, there are different levels of corruption in different states. Although it is the same Laws that are being implemented everywhere!
ReplyDeleteYou have said the right thing, as i pointed our earlier on a blog on Women's day .. and now here too , People have come out of there houses,, to participate .. BUT one question to all of them How many out of them have actually come out to do something with a GOOD HEART.
ReplyDeleteI can vouch many have come ot see the TAMASHA.. they may say anything they want but that is the truth.
As you say how many who were in the crowd actually will go home and DO something good for the nation.. or as you pointed out will the LPG guy still wait fo be paid that extra 100Rs so he can give a cylinder to someone who comes out of the QUE.
Problem is not if the bill will pass or not , even if it passes will people beahve.. or will it be like any other bill that passes with a fan fare for the first 2 -3 or 6 months and then the hoopla dies down and no one cares again.
How many of us are actually interested in this change , all this is happening is to see if the politcians are brought to justice and that they stop corruption.. I can furthur vouch that you ask 100 people they will say the same Teac hthe politcians or leaders a lesson .. The mind set is SET for that .. no one is thinking what NEXT ..
As Bhagat Singh said its not a problem to get rid of the british the problem will be after that .. cause when they go others will take over and thats what has happened as we see ..
so passing bill is not gonna work .. If the PEON standing in a govt office still demands 10 bucks to enter SAHIBS office .. or move the file ..
majority of the people who were supporting ANNA went home and carried on with the same work the next day .. How many as you said welcomed to help the rest with folded hands NONE. is the answer...
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Ps. Sorry I am very late in replying
Your Post gave the answer We Need Janlokpal Bill.
ReplyDeleteYou will do anything but you will not report the matter why as there is no use and no law.
Once the good law is there someone will go report and bribe taker will go behind bars for 100 Years then next time other people will think before taking bribe.
Hi!
ReplyDeleteOkay, it's your opinion. I don't agree with you.
I have heard that people are trying to implement a bill like "Lokpal" since last 30 years. Whey those people did not succeed?
If Anna Hazare leads the movement, if he can gamble his life for the same noble reason, if people (As like Mr kejariwal, Kiran Bedi and other) are united and supporting his banner, who should get the credit??
I agree that not a single bill can change the whole scenario, first of all we have to be honest with ourself, with our family and job. Just start implementing honesty from the root level, we can eradicate corruption in near future.
It's an ill fate, as corruption is embedded deep into the society. No one wants to loose the kick-backs they get, and the higher in the chain you are the more you will get. It's an institution in its self.
ReplyDeleteBut..Can anyone tell me one thing - what is the solution?
Very well written. Appropriate post for this present situation. I feel that all the politicians in our country are corrupted and thats the reason India is not able to progress. The politicians always make false promise and regarding Anna's fast its very difficult to say anything sitting far away from India. One of the best post. Keep it up!
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I agree with your points yet I appreciate Anna's efforts and the unity shown by the general lot. If the honesty is not arising from inside then someone has to take the lead and make people realize their errors.
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Irfaan! What's news? Is everything alright? Long time no see... :(
ReplyDeleteOh wow...I've never seen such enthusiasm from the readers. This is a great read---a very interesting side of India which could also speak for many of us fighting against corruption in the government. Many have been exposed in our new admin and it seems that many more will come to the light.
ReplyDeleteHonesty, more so integrity, is asked not only among politicians but among all of us since we all form the society...Yes, it is not forced but it's a value that we all must adhere to...
I pray for you and your country... keep on voicing such issues out :)
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ReplyDelete@Anonymous : hi Munir...thanks for giving your wise views here....hope to see you more often here.....thank you.
@Gautam : indeed, let there be hundreds of law, who cares unless we ourselves want to be corruption free..thank you.
@Bikramjit : you said it all Bikram, lets see what happens when BILL comes out of the bill thank you....
ReplyDeletePS: there is never late Sir ji, see even i am late in response to your comment now :)
@sm : well, where did i said that we need a lokpal bill...???
@Santosh Kumar : well, i respect your views but as you said "first of all we have to be honest with ourself, with our family and job"....and this is what i have been saying...any ways thank you for stopping by, plz do come again.
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